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BJP in disarray
Vincent Van Ross , New Delhi: Aug 29 2009
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BJP in disarray
The much-hyped “Chintan Baithak” (meeting for introspection) of the Indian right wing Bharatiya Janata Party (the main opposition party) to fix responsibility for its debacle in the last Lok Sabha elections ended with a book review! Jaswant Singh was axed for his comments in his latest book on Jinnah. It was no more than a baithak (meeting). Chintan (introspection) was sadly missing.

At the end of the baithak, the top BJP leader and leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha, Lal Krishna Advani, is firmly entrenched in his position. So is the senior leader and leader of the opposition in Rajya Sabha, Arun Jaitley!

The only decision of any consequence relates to the top BJP leader in Rajasthan, Vasudhara Raje.

Vasundhara Raje came under severe attack earlier when she goofed up the Gujjar tangle as the Chief Minister of Rajasthan causing the problem to spill over to neighbouring states thereby converting a local problem into a national problem. The whole issue was handled in a ham-handed fashion.

Not only did Vasundhara Raje antagonize Gujjars by letting loose Meenas on them instead of dealing with the problem through security forces, she also ended up antagonizing the Meenas in the end. This and other issues such as issue of licenses for liquor vends that led to the debacle of the BJP at the Assembly as well as Lok Sabha elections have in a way proved that the BJP’s experiment of translocation of a leader from one state to another has more or less failed. The Congress party has never done this.

However, Vasundhara Raje’s continuing popularity with the party MLAs in Rajasthan resulting in a show of strength which was aimed at challenging the central leadership of the BJP has the central leadership worried. It would be interesting for the central leadership to unearth the secret of her strength.

Following repeated attempts, the central leadership has managed to persuade her to step down as its leader in Rajasthan. She may have to be rehabilitated with a party post in the headquarters of the BJP as was being offered to her. If that happens, she can be expected to give the party president Rajnath Singh some sleepless nights. After all, it was Rajnath Singh and late Sahib Singh Verma who were most strident in demanding her head after the Gujjar mess up.

By now, it is absolutely clear that the real reason behind the exit of Jaswant Singh from the party is not his book on Jinnah but something else. Many in the BJP who demanded his expulsion from the party for his comments on Jinnah and Sardar Patel may not have read his book from cover to cover.

Whether the BJP likes it or not, the expulsion of Jaswant Singh has set off a chain reaction. Sudheendra Kulkarni, long term associate of Atal Behari Vajpayee and Lal Krishna Advani who spearheaded the BJP election campaign for the Lok Sabha elections, has parted company citing differences in ideology as the reason for his exit. Arun Shourie too has been critical of the goings on in the BJP although he has not been dealt with so firmly. In the middle of all this, former head of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, K.S. Sudharshan, has jumped on to the bandwagon that is praising Jinnah. The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is the ideological parent of the right wing Bharatiya Janata Party.

As a result of these unpleasant events, lots of skeletons are tumbling out of the BJP’s closets. For one thing, Jaswant Singh, Brajesh Mishra and Yashwant Sinha have now confirmed what Farooq Abdulla had claimed before the Lok Sabha elections—that Advani was fully aware of the swapping of terrorists for the crew and passengers of Indian Airlines flight number IC-814.

In any case, Advani’s statement that he did not know of this swap is intriguing. He was the Home Minister at that point of time and he should have been the first to know of this. If he was kept in the dark, he must have learnt this from the newspapers next morning as the rest of India did. Then, what kept him from resigning from his Home Minister’s post as a protest against this transgression? Why did he have to save this piece of information for his autobiography?

By revealing that the RSS is in favour of younger BJP leaders in the range of 50-60 years of age taking over reigns of the party, the new RSS chief, Mohan Bagwat, has made things difficult for the oldies. For one thing, it has dampened the spirit of the likes of Murali Manohar Joshi who was hoping that he would emerge stronger after the chintan baithak.

In short, Bhagwat’s call might force senior leaders to pack up and languish in the backrooms of the party. But, who will take over the reigns?

Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj are not a mass leaders. Narendra Modi has a mass base but that is in Gujarat. There is no way he can replicate the Gujarat model on India. He has already got a taste of that during the last Lok Sabha elections. Uma Bharti is a spent force. Varun Gandhi? Every sensible leader in BJP is having second thoughts about him.

Unlike the Congress party which has Rahul Gandhi, Jyotiraditya Scindia and Sachin Pilot to name a few promising young leaders, the BJP does not seemed to have a crop of young leaders. At least, they have not been showcased like the young Congress leaders. So, who are the dark horses Mohan Baghwant had on his mind when he hinted that BJP has a good crop of leaders in that range?

Where the BJP goes from here depends largely on who takes over reigns of the BJP at this stage. It depends on how seriously the process of rebuilding the party is taken. That might call of some tough decisions because if you look under the carpet now, all you see is hypocrisy and petty politics.

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”By now, it is absolutely clear that the real reason behind the exit of Jaswant Singh from the party is not his book on Jinnah but something else.”

Something else? What’s that ? Well,let’s hope these Chintan Baithaks don’t turn out to be Chita Baithaks !!
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Well, he was turning out to be thorn in the flesh for an influential section of the BJP.
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Raj
bangalore, India
BJP in disarray no issues.
They can still think of building it again and instill fresh constructive thoughts in reforming their political party.

They have good leaders. Only issue is dont overreact or give provoking messages to public.

Accept one leader and have faith in his leadership. Help the leader in fulfilling the parties goals and objectives. Stand united and you will succeed. Reach every common people and try to sort out their problems. Whatever constituencies you have, try to develop those and wait for your turn till the public accepts your good work and vote in favour of your party.

I am no supporter of any party, in particular. It is their job to lead and take care of what is best for the country and their party simultaneously.

So, still not late. Get short term plans and start moving towards prosperity. One day BJP will surely shine. Nothing to worry for minor setbacks.

Make your image in the mindsets of public through good work and not through giving messages to public.

We need your acts together and not words.

So, goodluck BJP for all the success and your future and present endeavours.

Regards
Raj
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Raj,
I have only one question for you. Where have I over-reacted or made a provacative statement. Please point out the specific portion where you think I have over-reacted.
I am not reacting to the rest of your comments because I do not feel the need to respond to someone who terms mere statement of facts as over-reaction or provocation.
By the way what is your full name Raj? Why are you afraid of disclosing your identity?
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Salil
Kochi, India
The basic problem of BJP is thatit has never proposed a strong agenda for nation building. The party is so much occupied with the petty issues that it doesn't see beyond that. Everyone in the BJP wants to be the PM. Their ultimate goal is to get power not to rise the country.
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@Salil

You ignored the past when government led by AB Vajpayee did a lot for the nation.He turned out to be one of the best Indian Prime ministers.The BJP has lot of potential.It need to realize its potential by rising above inherent contradictions.

”There is a Tide in the affairs of Men, Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune..”.The BJP needs to be patient and hope for the speedy arrival of such good phase.
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Arvind,
You forget that Vajpayee was saying one thing one day and just the opposite the very next day.
When he went to Gujarat after the post-Godhra riots, he said that Raj Dharma must be maintained. That was meant to be a message to Narendra Modi. And, then he went into the silent mode and never talked about it when Raj Dharma was not restored.
He went to Lahore to meet Nawaz Sharif sign an agreement and returned with the Kargil war. He compromised India’s national security by giving in to the demands of the hijackers of Indian Airliens flight IC-814.
We had post Godhra riots. We saw terrorist attacks on the Indian Parliament, J&K Assembly, Red Fort, Akshardham temple, just to name a few.
Our motherland never experienced peace in his regime. I am surprised that you rate him as one of the best prime ministers of India in spite of all this.
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Thanks Vincent for your factual response.You sound like leader of the Opposition in Vajpayee’s period !!

Something about him and his contributions.


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India’s second highest civilian honor, the Padma Vibhushan, was conferred upon him in recognition of his selfless dedication to his first and only love, India, and his more than half-a-century of service to society and the nation. In 1994, he was named India’s ’Best Parliamentarian.’ The citation read: ”True to his name, Atalji is an eminent national leader, an erudite politician, a selfless social worker, forceful orator, poet and litterateur, journalist and indeed a multi-faceted personality…Atalji articulates the aspirations of the masses… his works ever echo total commitment to nationalism.

http://www.indianembassy.org/special/cabinet/vajpayee.htm

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1.During his administration, Vajpayee introduced many important economic and infrastructural reforms domestically including, encouraging the private sector and foreign investments; reducing governmental waste; encouraging research and development and privatizing of government owned corporations.

2.In late 1998 and early 1999, Vajpayee began a push for a full-scale diplomatic peace process with Pakistan. With the historic inauguration of the Delhi-Lahore bus service in February 1999, The NDA proved its majority in parliament. Towards the end of 1998 however, the AIADMK under J.Jayalalitha withdrew its support from the 13-month old government.[4] Vajpayee initiated a new peace process aimed towards permanently resolving the Kashmir dispute and other territorial/nuclear/strategic conflicts with Pakistan. The resultant Lahore Declaration espoused a commitment to dialogue, expanded trade relations and the goal of denuclearized South Asia, and mutual friendship. This eased the tension created by the 1998 nuclear tests, not only within the two nations, but also in South Asia and the rest of the world.

3.Vajpayee oversaw his National Highway Development Project and Pradhan Mantri Gram Sadak Yojana begin construction, in which he took a personal interest.

In March 2000 Bill Clinton, the President of the United States paid a state visit to India. His was the first state visit to India by US President in 22 years. President Clinton’s visit to India was hailed as a significant milestone in the relations between the two countries. Since the visit followed barely two years after the Pokhran tests, and one year after the Kargil invasion and the subsequent coup in Pakistan, it was read to reflect a major shift in the post-Cold War U.S. foreign policy. The Indian Prime Minister and the U.S. President discussed strategic issues, but the chief achievement was a significant expansion in trade and economic ties.Historic Vision Document on the future course of relations between the two countries was signed by Prime Minister Vajpayee and President Clinton during the visit.

4.In late 2002 and 2003 the government pushed economic reforms, and the country’s GDP growth accelerated at record levels, exceeding 6-7%. Increasing foreign investment, modernization of public and industrial infrastructure, the creation of jobs, a rising high-tech and IT industry and urban modernization and expansion improved the nation’s national image. Good crop harvests and strong industrial expansion also helped the economy. The Government reformed the tax system, increased the pace of reforms and pro-business initiatives, major irrigation and housing schemes and so on. The political energies of the BJP shifted to the rising urban middle-class and young people, who were positive and enthusiastic about the major economic expansion and future of the country.

5.Widely respected within the country and abroad as a statesman of the genre of Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru, Shri Vajpayee’s 1998-99 stint as Prime Minister has been characterised as ’one year of courage of conviction’.

6.In 2001, the Vajpayee government launched the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan, which aimed at improving the quality of education in primary and secondary schools.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atal_Bihari_Vajpayee

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But the mortification of 1996 became the prelude to the comeback of 1998. In the election last month, opinion polls showed, Mr. Vajpayee was easily the most popular of the candidates for Prime Minister, outdistancing the next most favored figure by nearly 2 to 1.

But Mr. Vajpayee’s problem was that he proved to be more popular with the 344 million voters than did the Hindu nationalist movement, for which he has been the principal parliamentary standard bearer for 30 years.

’'There’s not a person in the country who doesn’t wish Mr. Vajpayee well, even those who don’t personally approve of him,’’ Mr. Mehta said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/20/world/man-atal-bihari-vajpayee-sworn-india-s-leader-ambiguity-his-wake.html?pagewanted=all

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Comment of one reader posted on Indian Express website :

Vajpayee Is The Best PM India Ever Had..NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!Vajapyee’s Acheivements...1)Vajpayee Ran Successfully,A Coalition Govt Of 24 Parties For 6 Years..2)During Vajpayee’s PM Ship,Forex Reserves Rose from $18BN to $116BN–An Unprecedented Record..3)India Despite International Pressures And Threats Of Boycott,Could Successfully Conduct It’s Second Nuclear Test in 1998..Please Remember that PV Narasimha Rao Couldn’t do the Same in 1995,Despite All the Preps Having Been Completed..4)During Vajpayee’s Time Only,Big Five Countries Like USA,Russia,China etc..Started treating India As An Eaqual Partner..5)During Vajpayee’s Rule Only China Recognised Sikkim As A State Of India,Thus Accepting the Indian Claim Of Mc-Mohan Line As the Boundary Between India And China.. The Above Are the Prominent 5 Un-Paralleled Victories of Vajpayee..Skeptics May Say Vajpayee Couldn’t remove Poverty.THEY SHOULD REMEMBER THE FACT THAT INDIA SUFFERS FROM OVER POPULATION.INDIA HAS 1.03 Billions Of Population Where As India Can Feed/Support Only 500 Million People.INDIA,BEING A DEMOCRATIC STATE ,CAN’T IMPOSE COERCIVE FAMILY PLANNING AS IT IS IN CHINA, A MAOIST-COMMUNIST COUNTRY..LONG LIVE VAJPAYEE!!

http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=32991

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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Arvind,
Thanks so much for your compliment and for designating me as the leader of the opposition. If I sound like the leader of the opposition, you come across as the head of Vajpayeeji’s propaganda machinery.
I could respond with a logner list of his failures. But, it is not worth the effort. The people of India gave a strong verdict against the ”India shining” propaganda of his government. That should seal any argument on this issue.
I am not denying the fact that Atalji was an excellent parliamentarian, orator
and the rest of it. His initiative on the National Highway project is also praiseworthy. But, that does not make him one of the best prime ministers.
When you assess a prime minister, you assess his performance on all fronts–not on individual issues. He fell short of expectation on many fronts. He is the only prime minister who was said to wearing mask because he said one thing one day and quite the opposite the very next day thereby confusing the people and having them guessing as to which side of the dividing line he was.
Unlike Manmohan Singh who is accused of acting on instructions from 10, Janpath, he had to contend with prodding from more than one power centre. That made it difficult for him to act with conviction and resolution on many issues.
I would not like to dwell upon his action on the IC-814 issue again which was against national interest.
We merely regained what we gave away in Kargil because New Delhi failed to respond to alarm signals emanating from there. And, at what cost did we regain it. Please read Harinder Baweja’s ”A Soldier’s Diary KARGIL” for the inside story.
He failed to discipline Narendra Modi after the post Godhra riots. That is a huge failure on his part. The way he drifted through this horrible incident shows his helplessness and lack of political will to act in a determined fashion.
The way the funeral of Mother Teresa was handled was a national shame. Mother Teresa was above religion and above national boundaries.
Indian experienced the maximum number of terror strikes during his regime.
If you still want to rate him as the best prime minister, I have nothing to say.
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@Vincent

Thanks for associating me with Vajpayee!!Anyone would be happy in having his name linked with him !!

I agree there were some blunders but that’s normal after all we are all human beings and prone to all sorts of errors.

While refuting my observations you seem to forget that I have not generated or engineered his achievements.It’s what we all Indians know.So to say that they are outcome of anyone’s ”propaganda machinery” sounds childish.

You say that performance should be assessed on all fronts.I wonder what do U mean by all the fronts when his achievements clearly show that he made remarkable gains in all the fronts.A good economy,better relations with big nations and programmes aimed at improving the face of nation,I hope, do cover all the fronts.
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Arvind,
I must compliment you for your response. Internal security and security at out western border don’t seem to have any importance in your opinion!
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@Vincent

India has been facing problems of internal security since Independence.I need not to remind you that flawed policies of Congress has led to this situation.I need not touch this issue at this time as that would create a deviation from the main issue.

You seem to be only aware of the Western border and that too ”Gujarat” forgetting that India has other borders as well.Well,you need to better move to Gujarat and ask the Gujaratis what have made them elect Modi as CM with huge majority?More so when he was branded ”guilty” by the secular media-a secular media that loves to keep it’s eyes wide shut with the real causes that has made India home of Islamic radicals.

How many attacks did we witness in previous rule of Mr Manmohan Singh? What’s was state of internal security in his previous period? What’s the state of internal security in present period? Naxalites are killing people like animals but we are all going gaga over his ”gentle” image.
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Arvind,
Thanks for assuming that I am totally ignorant of what you are saying. I am closing this chapter here because I know where this is heading for–nowhere!

I am sure you also support the Gujarat government banning Jaswant Singh’s book.

I reiterate India was never so insecure after the first two wars when India’s defence was being put in place as under the BJP regime. Most of the terror attacks we witnessed in the period of the UPA were spearheaded by terrorists released by the Vajpayee government.

I will only say this much. I have a right to my opinion based on my understanding of a subject and the values I subscribe to. I have only tried to defend what I expressed in my post. But, you have picked holes not only in my post but also in every reader’s comment who has supported my views. That is questionable.
You may be a BJP activist. But, this is not a BJP forum. It is open to opinions from all shades.
If I am opposed to BJP and its policies, I have my reasons.
I also wanted change after decades of Congress rule and voted for BJP once hoping Vajpayee would make a difference to this country. I was sadly mistaken.
One of the first things, his government did was to use the police to make a list of Christians. What followed was politics of hate targetting Christians for the first time. Had it not been for a strong media backlash, things would have been very very dim in this country. But, you cannot understand this or hundreds of other little things that touch ordinary lives and matter to them. You talk big. You live in an ivory tower.
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Milind
Thiruvananthapuram, India
BJP doesn't use its brains and seem to be a party without a good leadership. Adwani is definitely not a good leader and his image is that of a staunch Hindu, which people does not appreciate at the time of voting. BJP has to work on improving its image in front of the people.
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@Milind

Is it crime to be a staunch Hindu ?
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One may like the BJP or dislike this right wing political party in India but the fact remains that besides remaining the main opposition party in the Lok Sabha with more than 100 members, this party has chief ministers in five states, Uttarakhand, Himachal pradesh, Chattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Karnataka and two deputy chief ministers in Bihar and Punjab. Politically it is a formidable political party. At the same time, the Congress, the ruling party at the centre has chief ministers in Delhi, Assam, Andhra Pradesh, Rajasthan, Maharashtra (in league with the NCP)and is a partner of the ruling alliance in Jammu & Kashmir in partnership with the National Conference. The smaller north east states have not been taken into consideration here.

The BJP leaders erred while failing to adopt and admire the force of liberalisation though as a right wing political party it was natural for it to appreciate the development. On the other hand, the centrist Congress part did not waste time to be on the side of liberalisation and in turn reaped political fortune. It was on account of this development that the BJP ceased to be darling of the youth who want nothing but development.
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@Anil

It’s really ironical that IT sector,darling of modern Indian youths, was given new heights by the BJP.BJP is still the hot favourite of thinking youths.BJP only needs to rope in fresh young leaders that have some sort of vision for India.It needs to strike chord with its voters with clear agenda in league with strong ideological moorings.
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Raj
bangalore, India
Dear Vincent,
I am sorry to say that you misread my statements on the issue.

When I was pointing to provocative messages to the public, I was not pointing you, it is the BJP who has been in the news for all the bad reasons. There are positives and negatives with the party which can be sorted out.

I am seeing BJP as a major force if they can really shed their useless activities and align themselves as a really promising party.

Well as far as hiding my name is concerned, I like it that way, it is not question of getting afraid. I dont want my name to come up unnecessarily.

Afterall we are just public citizens of the nation, our talks dont matter at all in the media. People come, talk about the subject and then go quiet.

You just cant do anything on any subject and this is not India’s freedom but petty issues for which we shouldn’t be wasting too much time if we have dedicated careers where our real contribution is required more than these blogs meant for the public reading.

Tell me how does these blogs reach to the ministers, if at all.

Regards
Raj

Like to be called as Raj only because I like it that way.
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Raj, Your points are well taken.
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Raj
bangalore, India
Well Vincent,
These Blogs are unending, you write something on the issue which you consider it important.

Then you start throwing volleys of written thoughts on the person who responds to your article.

It is like protecting your article more than the real issue in question. Keep justifying people till you get comment on your subject and finally the subject matter itself dies.

It’s 2 different people looking at the subject with 2 different perspectives. How do you expect it to match and does it have an end... no dear... it’s all waste.

One person talking about BJP’s success, other is talking about failures. Leave the politicians on their own. You cannot change them.

BJP is not a one man army but has many heads to decide what is important and what is not? It also has to take steps considering the opposition in mind...

Every committee has it’s own way of ruling their parties and represent accordingly.

Talking is very easy, putting thoughts to action is really what matters.

If you are made a minister

what all changes you would do? How good you are at keeping every common indian happy and satisfied?

What you can do alone, can you eradicate poverty, can you really raise the literacy ratio, can you create job opportunities for every common man, can you promote non-educated public towards growth and prosperities.

So, forget it all. Vote next time to whichever party you feel is good in your views.

Regards

Raj
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Raj,
As you pointed out in your previous comment, I seem to have misread your post. I hit a semantic barrier. I stand corrected.
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@Raj

It might sound harsh to you but I feel that U should move out of blog-sphere.If U are unaware of the usage of blogs what’s the point in using Instablogs or for that matter any other similar site?

Even the orders passed by Apex Court are nowadays piece of paper for minsters and officials.Going by your logic it’s time for Apex Court to stop passing orders !

Your remarks on the subject are nothing but wind.I hope U realize that.

It’s time for you to turn into a conscious citizen with right positive views instead of remaining ”just public citizens of the nation” with fragile thoughts.

Lastly,I expect you not to take it personally!!!
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Raj
bangalore, India
Dear Arvind,

I would ask you a question - In what capacity you are to write all that to me? I never confronted your thoughts.

What you felt, you wrote. What I feel, I shall write. I like to write an article on only those subjects which I strongly feel to write on.

And, What is this statement - conscious citizen, public citizens. India is already divided into many halves and you are adding one more dimension to it citizen or non-citizen.

Why you have to prove yourself of what you are and what I am? If you like, read it or else do not.

One more request is to read my previous article, I hope you would like it.

”Are Indians prepared for another war alongwith cross border terrorism?”

Please read it further, do not stop...

I saw yourself and Vincent fighting to prove each other at length, I felt what is this going on. So, I expressed myself - I am not a fan of Vincent or yourself that I would support anyone.

But, it was turning out to be hurling stones at each other. I would suggest both of you, revisit your provokating thoughts you exchanged which is not in good taste.

Can we get our acts together and discuss calmly and constructively. That is in best interest of all of us. We have a common consortium of sharing thoughts and we think accordingly.



I really would like to know your profession and the reason as to how you keep yourself updated. Do you get so much time to read all those issues.

I dont know how you people get time to write at such a length bringing in facts and figures.

In my profession as an architect, I dont have time to go through all these.
I am sure you are aware of what architect’s job is all about. Right from Project Inception till the Final release, architects are responsible for every good and bad that happens to the project.

Our technology advances every year to new levels of challenges and promise to improve performance of the product.

I would surely expect you to respond to this message to you.

Regards
Raj
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Vincent Van Ross
New Delhi, India
Raj,

I did not start any of this. And, outside of this particular piece, I do not hold anything against Arvind. To tell you the truth, after all this, I would have been happier not to have written this piece in the first place but that would be escapist. I am simply standing up for what I feel is right.

I am not happy with the language I have used in some of my responses in this post. But, I had to match up. If you read the rest of my blogs you will not find such responses.

Arvind has written many many articles and I have read many of them. I did not necessarily agree with what he said in them. But, I read them and moved over. I never commented on any of his articles because I saw how he was responding to comments.
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Raj
bangalore, India
Vincent,
I am glad and happy you realised it to what I am trying to express. Agreed, Arvind is very good at writing these articles but, he should respect everyone putting their views.

I am sure he would also take care in commenting on such views constructively and not aggravate the situation. If you have more thoughts to put in, share it with us.

Arvind,
I would like you too, to join hands with Vincent and sort out all our differences. If we do not agree on the subject, we should not bring the other person down. Hope you too follow the suite and we take care of each other or whomsoever, we are putting our comments to the article.

Our motive of writing blogs is not to fight amongst ourselves but to let our thoughts reach the ministers and every common man of this country.

Changing responsible people’s mindset and make them rethink their strategies should be our goal and the objective.

Regards
Raj
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@Vincent

Yes,it’s time to end this debate because it’s absolutely that ”boiling point” has arrived.Above all,the major arguments have already been offered.You have made many bogus insinuations.I need not touch them except few.I am no BJP activists.I also don’t talk big nor a person trapped in ivory tower.You have read so many articles of mine and therefore should be quite aware of the fact that nearly all articles are related with plight of underprivileged ordinary citizens including women.

You say you have every right to defend your views and ,I hope,it’s the right of others as well.You say that U didn’t comment on my posts because U came to perceive how I reacted to responses of others.Don’t know what exactly you mean but I am sure even a mere glimpse at the responses given by me-even on this post- would let you that they are factual and relate to the subject matter.

Pick holes? It’s that an easy task unless you are seriously participating in the debate?Please pat my back as we are living in times when people comment without reading the article or are solely interested in what they are saying caring little for what others are stating.

Raj has suggested that I need to join hands with Vincent and sort out all the differences.Well, Raj is totally unaware of the fact that we have traveled together quite a distance on this site and shared very interesting views.In other words,there are no differences between us.We are real friends having strong opinion on certain issues with altogether different perspective.Are U listening Raj?

Anyway, Vincent written a very interesting article.I know U will like it minus your comment.ha..ha

http://indowaves.instablogs.com/entry/have-parliaments-across-the-globe-turned-into-whorecircus-and-100-farce/
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
Correction :

Yes,it’s time to end this debate because it’s absolutely clear that ”boiling point” has arrived.
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@Raj

I requested you not take my observations personally.Anyway, once again reiterating that I did not intend to convey what you have felt.Sorry if you felt that way !!Please don’t feel first and read afterwards.Read right and then feel right to arrive at better conclusions.

What I have written in my comment above is not effect of my brainchild but it’s simply the outcome of your very words.I have borrowed both words and conclusions from your very comment.There is not at all any personal attack.

Read your comment and you will come to now that it’s you are suggesting the futility of posts written on blog site.It’s you who are suggesting that views exchanged on these blogs are insignificant.They are ”unending”, ”not read by ministers ” and etc.

That what made me suggest you that if that’s the case you should not waste time on blogging and be more interested in making career.Interestingly, this too is your suggestion..he he.. So nothing personal from my side...So Raj get above wrong impressions about me..

”Afterall we are just public citizens of the nation, our talks dont matter at all in the media.” ...Who has made this statement ? I hope I have not made it!

It’s your view and that’s why I asked U to ’turn into a conscious citizen with right positive views instead of remaining ”just public citizens of the nation” with fragile thoughts’.

My friend Raj I have great respect for my readers.Rest assured in that regard.

But like to ask readers who comment on my posts or my comments in mindless fashion also care about the self respect of the author ? They say baseless things and run away, caring a damn for providing facts and details in support of their arguments or, for that matter,people of our age are simply interested in stating what’s in their minds without ever bothering to react with constructive mindset in light of proper facts.
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Raj
bangalore, India
Hi Arvind,

Thanks for your so sweet reply. I really admire your writing skills, it is just excellent.

Reading through your messages, I couldn’t stop smiling while reading your thoughts. I felt very happy, really really happy about that.

I like writing but I am too below par when I see your writings. Consider the last message to Vincent and myself, they are absolutely marvellous.

Please share some good things about your writing. How you mastered that skill.

From these final scraps, I found you to be a very nice person and you present yourself so well that even your enemy would start liking your thoughts.

Great Arvind, just too great. Did you read my article mentioned. You did not say a word, I need your true comments on the article.

Could you please do it for me.

Great Regards
Bye and Take Care
Raj
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@Raj

Thanks for your compliment Raj.I have been writing for quite a long time now.In this long period I got many opportunities to interact with wonderful souls who were excellent writers as well.So beauty you see in my writing skills is in actuality impressions of these great souls.You minus essence of these ”beautiful minds” from my life then I will be reduced to very ordinary soul.

And yes, whether U realize or not you have the potential to turn into a good writer.Keep writing and reading apart from being in touch with good writers.I can name few.They are at present very close to both of us.One is Vincent Van Ross.Read his posts.He is a very good writer in league with perfect sense of humour.Read his short memoirs on his blog.

Anil is also present in form of his comment.He is very good in unearthing some very interesting facts and then presenting in a very gripping manner.
So the moment U come in association with these type of writers you are bound to ,sooner or later, morph into a good writer.

As far as I am concerned I just want to say this to my wonderful friends who added new dimensions in my life in a secret way : ’तेरा तुझको अर्पण क्या लागे मेरा...’

I will definitely leave a comment on the said post.
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Raj
bangalore, India
Hi Arvind,

For your reference, please use the url to reach my article. Sorry to miss on the last note.

http://rajddn710.instablogs.com/entry/are-indians-prepared-for-another-war-
alongwith-cross-border-terrorism/

Regards
Raj
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Raj
bangalore, India
Hi Arvind,
Copy the entire URL which is in 2 lines but failed to create one single hyperlink to reach this article.



Regards

Raj
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